So this is happening, now.
Over the last few days, the hashtag-slash-movement #DefundThePolice has been making the rounds. Predictably and disappointingly, the Professional Left™ have been clutching their pearls and collapsing with the vapors because they just can’t understand why anyone would say something so radical.
Frankly, I’m sick of it. Folks in the audience, okay, I get that because that’s the narrative you’re fed and there’s little motivation to look outside it. People like Cenk Uygur at popular left wing media outlet The Young Turks, however, simply don’t have that excuse.
I want to be clear: I like Cenk. I like TYT. But it’s time we stopped letting them have those excuses. So here’s the basic breakdown:
– When you are negotiating, you always start from a position far in excess of what you actually expect. You want to pay ten bucks for that depression glass at the flea market, you start off by offering three and then haggle. This is the root of #DefundThePolice. It’s also a tactic that’s thousands of years old and there’s not the slightest excuse for anyone to not be aware of it.
– The “left” in the United States have always failed miserably in this regard, which is the root cause of what’s now known as the “Overton Window.” Like this:
Left: “fascism is bad.”
Right: “that’s very intolerant of you. Also, anyone who isn’t white and doesn’t own property is garbage.”
Left: “well, for the sake of upholding free expression, we guess we can allow some things to be said without accountability or challenge, if it’ll make you feel better and bring you to the table.”
Right, now at table: “Anyone who isn’t white and doesn’t own property is garbage.”
Left: “Well, that’s kind of racist.”
Right, now screaming, “anyone who isn’t white and doesn’t own property is garbage and how dare you call me a racist, that’s outrageously rude and we won’t stand forit!”
Left: “Well, we can understand that some people who aren’t white and don’t own property are garbage, so we can compromise on that. How about we only let you subjugate 90% of the non-whites, and agree that the 10% of them who own property aren’t garbage?”
Right: “Well, I never, how can you suggest that someone who isn’t One Of Us could be anything but garbage? You’re comparing us to garbage? And half those people don’t deserve their property anyway!”
Left: “Okay, we’ll give you half the non-white people’s property and agree that anyone who isn’t white and doesn’t own property is garbage, stipulating that garbage has rights too.”
Right: “No, garbage doesn’t have rights, you liberals are ridiculous! Now you want to give rights to garbage? You must be stupid, middle America will never allow that!”
Left: “Okay, we’ll compromise. We’ll take away half the property owned by non-whites and give it to you, and agree that everyone who isn’t a white property owner is garbage.”
The left then smugly announces they’ve forged a compromise with the right to secure the basic rights of white property owners. Progress!
That is an illustration of the Overton Window, and the right wing has owned it in the US since the mid-20th century at least.
With #DefundThePolice, someone on the left finally figured out how to play this game effectively. It’s intended to have shock value. It’s intended to jostle and upset and discomfort. Why? Because that’s what gets people talking, and it’s working. Dialogue is happening, people are being presented with propositions they believe unthinkable, and then when their attention is centered on the issue, being brought around to accepting basic realities about police and military over-funding, over-prioritization of punitive and authoritarian tactics instead of substantive and good-faith negotiation to ensure human rights are protected and the ideals of this nation upheld.
Note again: it’s working. People are having these conversations. Even the esteemed Mr. Uygur, in the middle of decrying and disclaiming the tactic, has done precisely what the statement is meant to do – get people thinking and engaging and talking about these issues, working toward real change, and being unafraid to be radical or outside the box.
What the people behind that movement-hashtag have done is deliberately stepped outside Noam Chomsky’s “range of allowable debate”:
The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum – even encourage the more critical and dissident views. That gives people the sense that there’s free thinking going on, while all the time the presuppositions of the system are being reinforced by the limits put on the range of the debate.- Noam Chomsky, ‘The Common Good‘ (p. 43)
This is a tactic employed many times by Bernie Sanders, with great success, and it will be successful here as well.
I’m not going to go into “what defund really means” because it means what it says. Police and paramilitary authoritarian agencies are far and away the most highly funded public service in this country, and those funds are tragically misallocated away from education, health care, mental health, social services, housing, food, transportation, and a thousand other things that actually do reduce crime.
Now we’re finally having that conversation in earnest, and we wouldn’t be if it wasn’t for those radical, “unworkable” hashtags and dialogues that are supposedly so self-defeating and off-putting.
QED: It’s working. And when we get to the “compromise” position instead of “well how about we just promise not to use the tanks unless we really really need them,” the compromise position is “get rid of all the tanks,” and the hard position is “or we’ll just get rid of your entire existence.”
That’s how we win, and that’s why #DefundThePolice, #AbolishPolice, and other “radical” hashtags and ideas aren’t just “not the wrong way to do this,” but the best way anyone’s even tried in a long, long time.
?? But in the mean time, what do you do with the Police People in Serve whom are not Public People Safe!!
Suzette Wilson I’m terribly sorry but I have no idea what you’re trying to ask here -jh
How will they work to improve the Police whom are working today. How can they continue to work without changing the way they handle the Public! Does this help to understand what I’m asking!!
Yes. The answer is: by firing a ton of them and subjecting everyone to a psych evaluation more stringent than “Do You Eat Babies?” By eliminating immunity for crimes committed on duty – and I sat here thinking through the “whatabouts” on that and realized that there’s no immunity that protects behavior police should be involved in anyway. By funding robust social programs, education, and health care including mental health and addiction recovery care, to help eliminate some causes of crime. By ending redlining and racism in home lending to help ensure poor people can own homes too because people who own their stuff tend to burn it down a lot less often. And so on.
In some cases, – Buffalo NY, Minneapolis, San Francisco, Salt Lake City UT, officers who are members of the Police Benevolent Association in NYC, Broward County FL., it’s gonna have to be a total cut and rebuild from scratch; the departments are just too ridden with corruption to be saved.
It’s almost like people don’t realize police in the current model are a pretty new thing in human culture.
Also demilitarizing them. Also not putting off things like social work, mental health work, animal control, and addiction counseling that aren’t really any of their business anyway or shouldn’t be, because they aren’t social workers, psychiatrists, dog-catchers, or addiction counselors.
We need to completely re-evaluate how policing works. It’s broken, top to bottom, and even those “good apples” everyone keeps talking about risk retaliation, firing, and even death when they speak out. The “thin blue line” mentality needs to be completely erased.
And there are plenty of working models out there in other countries. YES, YES, they ARE different, and they’ll have to be adapted, but others on this thread have given examples of things they already do that change the paradigm.
This would mean no funds for body cameras
Kim Stratton not necessarily
Beth Popple The county I live in hasn’t processed Rape kits for years, because there is “no funding”. The body camera situation is pretty close
Kim Stratton I believe that’s probably because the funding they get is being mis-allocated. Did you read the article?
Beth Popple Well, you’d have to discuss that with Kamala Harris
Kim Stratton ummm, ok
Reverend Al Sharpton said police officers should be held to a higher accountability standard if they break the law because they’re paid to uphold it
If only Biden, Pelosi, and the rest of the Dems that are reliant on corporations actually gave a damn enough to support this. Instead, they’re pandering by pretending to care with Pelosi’s kneeling stunt and Biden’s insincere visit your Floyd’s family. As if that makes up for his segregationist past or his writing of the crime bill. Shame on Republicans and Democrats both. It’s all about money and power to them…
It has worked in Camden NJ
Awww… are liberals just too good at catchy slogans, or do conservative need a safe space? #wheresmysafetypins #gettinganotherHUGEbidenflagformytruck #triggeringtheGQP #FTP #itsaJOBnotyourskincolor #youfitthedescription
Defund the police maybe be the worst slogan of all time. It has hurt more than helped the cause. Slogans should not have to be explained and clarified , like this one.
John Henry , I did, thanks.
Jill Matthews LeVan – Yeah, the article goes in to all of that. You should read it 🙂
Was a fan of the young Turks back in the day. Then I realized they are not nearly as progressive or left leaning as they should be.
You need better funding in order to better train the police.
How about you dont break the law and if confronted by police . You show respect , obey commands and everyone goes home safe and gets to live ……
Chris Tafoya It’s kinda like when you see a trainwreck as your driving.. ..you can’t help but look over at it – even though you don really wanna see it.
He’s just such a gruesome spectacle you can’t help but chat with him to see what vile thoughts will ooze out of his mind next..
Video footage of what its like to talk to dennis :p
https://youtu.be/j2nYqyfDMnQ?t=79
How about you derp derp the derp !
Dennis is a racist.
Why bother talking to him?
Also lets assume – for fucks sake – that its dead even – 50% whites 50% ..other..
Do they not matter? Your entire defense is that “well white people are murdered, so why not murder some N@$@#%@#rs along with em!” Your entire defense is “well, if white people are being murderd. why not others.”
That is literally what you said. What aboot them – you no where said that x murder was wrong, you said well “white people get murdered too”
You lost track entirely of the concept of – we don’t want more white people murdered like black people, we want LESS FUCKING PEOPLE MURDERED ENTIRELY
Dennis Quinn Frketich your whatabootism is amazing – the moment your faced with facts that defy your reality you shut down instantly. The only thing you have is “well what aboot… ” To quote some asshole I talked to online, regarding those “white people shot and killed” i’ll need more specific names.
In fact – I want a pound-for-pound count – I want every single person noted this year shot by cops. Every. Single. One. Then we’ll dissect them by age, gender, race, ..fitness level fat or skinny, shoe size.. however many categories you wish to add.
This is because, regarding disclosed cases, over 70% are minority victims. Most of which – are actually female minorities.
I want to see your “numbers”. But remember to follow the corollary!
Robert Kenealy Right!!!
THE COPS WENT INTO THE WRONG HOUSE!!! And your talking about laying your eyes on the right target? Come on! You have to be joking 🤡
You have to give names to be more specific . What about all the white people that are shot and killed by cops ? Do they not matter ? Or is it only the minority victims matter here ? Numbers alone show that whites are shot and killed at twice the rate of minorities . Do they not matter ?
ACTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES….. unless yer a white cop..” fixed
“you are responsible for the bullet the moment it leaves your gun IF YOUR NOT A WHITE COP” i fixed that for you
nah they can just open fire randomly and don’t have to have Postive ID – just the black guy
I love how to Dennis the bullet is only important when shot by a black person.. the cops bullets have no consequences…
The guy on his cell phone in his own backyard..
Dennis Quinn Frketich Ok Dennis? May I ccall you Dennis? How aboot dipshit.. what about the kid walking home from Violin practice.. what did HE do?
You have the right to defend yourself and house . But actions have consequences . You are responsible for the bullet the moment it leaves the barrel . And that bullet hit a cop . Its why you must lay your eyes on your target . Shooting through a door isnt responsible .
They were in the wrong place. He was in his right to shoot intruders. Either you are for self protection in your own home or your not.
And her drug dealing boyfriend shot at the Cops first and they returned fire . You are only as good as the company you keep . Sad , but her hands wasnt clean . NEXT
Dennis Quinn Frketich Breonna Taylor was asleep in her own home. Police are trained to apprehend people who resist arrest. That is their whole job. They are not executioners, but for some reason they think they are judge, jury and executioner.
How about degunning the police.
Lock up the guns until someone calls for backup, twice.